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Re: Unix, Windows does it really matter?(security)
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:24 pm
by Innerscope
VIsta's Graphical Interface takes so much resources and was a total screwup because it had same code structure(and looked like) as a GAME! instead of an OS GUI.
I'm not sure where you got your information about Aero's code structure (I thought this was private), but I'll agree with you that it is a resource hog. If you're saying it's game-like because it uses the GPU, then that's not very accurate, because lots of non-game software makes use of the GPU. You don't think Aqua (OSX GUI) is running solely off CPU power, do you? That would be a lot less efficient.
Re: Unix, Windows does it really matter?(security)
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:38 pm
by Netwatcher
Innerscope wrote:VIsta's Graphical Interface takes so much resources and was a total screwup because it had same code structure(and looked like) as a GAME! instead of an OS GUI.
I'm not sure where you got your information about Aero's code structure (I thought this was private), but I'll agree with you that it is a resource hog. If you're saying it's game-like because it uses the GPU, then that's not very accurate, because lots of non-game software makes use of the GPU. You don't think Aqua (OSX GUI) is running solely off CPU power, do you? That would be a lot less efficient.
I'm sure it was in a book I've read... Think it's "Advanced 2D game development" by Jonatan Harbour but don't get me on that.
Re: Unix, Windows does it really matter?(security)
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:55 am
by Innerscope
"Advanced 2D game development"
Yea, it sounds like they were talking about heavy usage of the GPU for 2D drawing.
Re: Unix, Windows does it really matter?(security)
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:31 am
by Netwatcher
As Apple becomes more popular, more people seem to be making harmware for it's products -->
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/23941/53/
Re: Unix, Windows does it really matter?(security)
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:05 pm
by Innerscope
[defending apple fanboyism] Did you actually read the article? It's more about Safari vulnerabilities then OS X exploits. This had nothing to do with a correlation between Apple's popularity and harmware. [/defending apple fanboyism]
Re: Unix, Windows does it really matter?(security)
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:37 pm
by Netwatcher
This hack is legitimate, but it just shows how easy it is to do that, and because Apple's popularity rises, it is inevitable that these things will happen by crackers.
Re: Unix, Windows does it really matter?(security)
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:44 am
by M_D_K
There is a major major difference between OS vulnerabilities and application vulnerabilities. OS vulnerabilities would fall under say network stack overflows or exploiting anything that is built into the OS itself. Application vulnerabilities cover exploits that affect a specific application.
Yes as a particular OS becomes more popular more exploits in the system will be found, but that doesn't mean *UNIX systems like Mac OSX or linux will turn into the walking security hole.
Re: Unix, Windows does it really matter?(security)
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:54 am
by avansc
i didn't read so thoroughly, but didn't they say safari on windows had the same problem?
Re: Unix, Windows does it really matter?(security)
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:51 am
by Pickzell
programmerinprogress wrote:Netwatcher wrote:
I can't live without Visual Studio, seriously.
and I can't live without Code::Blocks, so i'm
GOLDEN! 
Although i use windows (however I will be trying out a form of linux when I get a blank system to add it too), I would still say, keep your options open, if the OS is free and open-source, install it on a low-end machine, you might as well, means you could compile a project to that OS pretty easily, you could wait till later on to decide which one you want to use as your primary OS.
As for security, more people are going to write bad crap for a more popular OS, but also take into account that open-source software is being constantly changed and updated, by a large volume of programmers which are likely to surpass, microsoft for example in quantity exponentially, however, you do have to take into account all of these changes conflicting and undermining eachother, which could lead to futher risk.
In conclusion, you just have to weigh the pros and cons up, I wouldn't worry about it too much, theres always going to be some bastard writing for some OS that wants to destroy the contents of your computer, why not make it a computer you enjoy using
I can't live without DEV-C++, Game Maker, MMF2, and Perl. I believe three of those are windows only.
Re: Unix, Windows does it really matter?(security)
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:39 am
by Netwatcher
Safari is in all MACs as far as I know so... yeah...
and IE has more exploits then safari, all PCs running Win have it
Re: Unix, Windows does it really matter?(security)
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:38 pm
by M_D_K
Netwatcher wrote:Safari is in all MACs as far as I know so... yeah...
and IE has more exploits then safari, all PCs running Win have it
But that doesn't make it an OS exploit. You can remove safari and IE, although IE is a bitch to remove.
Re: Unix, Windows does it really matter?(security)
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:39 pm
by Innerscope
Netwatcher wrote:Safari is in all MACs as far as I know so... yeah...
and IE has more exploits then safari, all PCs running Win have it
Yes, but who uses Safari or IE? I use Firefox.
(pesky side note: although you may have been doing this for emphasis, capitalizing "MAC" sounds like you're referring to a machine address. Mac = Computer/OS)
Re: Unix, Windows does it really matter?(security)
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:07 pm
by Netwatcher
Innerscope wrote:Netwatcher wrote:Safari is in all MACs as far as I know so... yeah...
and IE has more exploits then safari, all PCs running Win have it
Yes, but who uses Safari or IE? I use Firefox.
(pesky side note: although you may have been doing this for emphasis, capitalizing "MAC" sounds like you're referring to a machine address. Mac = Computer/OS)
yea... I just do it cos PC is capital, and MAC sounds more important then Macintosh(something in Yidish?)...
Now to another subject, can you ban MAC addr in IRC?
Re: Unix, Windows does it really matter?(security)
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:10 pm
by thejahooli
avansc wrote:avarage windows user: does not know anything about security or programming or anything other than watching porn. writing granma a letter in word. and so on.
avarage linux user: security semi savvy. looks for open ports. knows the system architecture. etc etc...
I agree.
People I know who use mac's say that it crashes a lot less than Windows. This is only because the people who use Mac's ( except for the occasional person) are the people who know nothing about computers and don't use their computers for anything more than the programs Apple give you. On Windows most people don't know anything about security and expect their antivirus software to prevent their computers from any harm. On Linux people know about their computers and are less likely to allow people to give them virus'.
Re: Unix, Windows does it really matter?(security)
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:38 pm
by avansc
thejahooli wrote:avansc wrote:avarage windows user: does not know anything about security or programming or anything other than watching porn. writing granma a letter in word. and so on.
avarage linux user: security semi savvy. looks for open ports. knows the system architecture. etc etc...
I agree.
People I know who use mac's say that it crashes a lot less than Windows. This is only because the people who use Mac's ( except for the occasional person) are the people who know nothing about computers and don't use their computers for anything more than the programs Apple give you. On Windows most people don't know anything about security and expect their antivirus software to prevent their computers from any harm. On Linux people know about their computers and are less likely to allow people to give them virus'.
mmm.... i think there are more poeple who use macs that are computer savvy than you might think.
i remember 90 percent of my csc professors had a mac, and probably 30 percent of the students.