Elysian Shadows

LeonBlade wrote:The controls better, fucking way better not just a slight improvement.
We're talking 1:1 tracking essentially perfect capturing in 3D not just 2D and an accelerometer to track other movements.
Will it make a difference? Yes.
Sony DID innovate big time, and gamers can take the possibilities of the Move much farther than Wii ever has.
And Wii fixed some problems with Motion Plus, but Motion Plus is NO WHERE near the power of the Move.

Spoken like a true Sony fanboy.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say you didn't read my post. Yes, the tech is superior. No, it won't make a difference. Frankly, the cost alone will act as a major deterrent (extra hardware on top of an already expensive console???). The tech is way better than Wii's original attempt for sure, but it's only marginally superior to Motion Plus. Again, Wii already owns the market, and by the time Move picks up any steam, Wii 2 will arrive and render the whole effort moot.

Plus, just so you know, making a more accurate motion control is not innovation; it's linear improvement/evolution on an existing tech. Sony did nothing more than copy. They didn't bring anything NEW to the table.

Thank you... god PS3... you can suck a chode, why don't you guys man up and play a real console, like SNES

eatcomics wrote:Thank you... god PS3... you can suck a chode, why don't you guys man up and play a real console, like SNES

Tell em' man!

TheBuzzSaw wrote:

LeonBlade wrote:The controls better, fucking way better not just a slight improvement.
We're talking 1:1 tracking essentially perfect capturing in 3D not just 2D and an accelerometer to track other movements.
Will it make a difference? Yes.
Sony DID innovate big time, and gamers can take the possibilities of the Move much farther than Wii ever has.
And Wii fixed some problems with Motion Plus, but Motion Plus is NO WHERE near the power of the Move.

Spoken like a true Sony fanboy.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say you didn't read my post. Yes, the tech is superior. No, it won't make a difference. Frankly, the cost alone will act as a major deterrent (extra hardware on top of an already expensive console???). The tech is way better than Wii's original attempt for sure, but it's only marginally superior to Motion Plus. Again, Wii already owns the market, and by the time Move picks up any steam, Wii 2 will arrive and render the whole effort moot.

Plus, just so you know, making a more accurate motion control is not innovation; it's linear improvement/evolution on an existing tech. Sony did nothing more than copy. They didn't bring anything NEW to the table.

Sure, pull the "fanboy" argument the minute someone disagrees with your statement.
Because, you know, that somehow nullifies my points right?

I did read your entire post, and I don't see anything I said that was wrong.
They greatly improved the technology of motion using controllers. It's taking basic 2D and some accelerometers and making it full 3D capturing, not just X and Y and some gestures, we're talking X, Y, Z and full Pitch, Yaw, and Roll. As if taking a step from 2D to 3D isn't innovative.

The cost is fair considering you get what you pay for, and the console isn't that expensive. Maybe in comparison to the Wii... but the thing is the waggle motion is all you get with the Wii. So I'm pretty sure the price of the PS3 isn't that much in terms of what you get in the package. And again, you get what you pay for with Move, and you're paying for a more immersive and superior form of motion control than the Wii. So of course it's going to cost more, plain and simple. But it's not like you're paying some outrageous price for it, and the price will eventually go down.

And yes, one can argue that the Motion Plus isn't that much less than the Move now. However, you're still not getting the accuracy that it should have in the controllers on top of the many other benefits that the PS3 has over the Wii anyway. So again, you're getting what you pay for, even if it's a small gap of improvement as you said, it's still a huge step up from the Wii.

And Wii owns the market for more casual experiences, however I was completely drawn away from the Wii however I consider PlayStation Move something I'm would be highly interested in, and I may plan to purchase in the future. And I'm sure there will be a lot of people who would agree that they enjoy the Move as it's a better experience, combined with the PS3 power and graphics you can immerse yourself more and potentially have a better more enjoyable time using it. But each to their own of course, it's all about who you are and what you enjoy.

And I would hope that Wii 2 wouldn't arrive so soon, but if it does they need to step it up.
Nintendo over the past few years has gone with the whole gimmick and casual approach. They find something that's new and unique but they don't put a lot of power behind it. Take a look at the DS and the Wii, they're selling like hotcakes, but their unique features aren't being used as they should be, especially on the DS. It seems that half of the games don't even have a good use for the touch screen.

But that's not what this is about anyway.

And regarding the whole copying thing, the Move was in development back around the same time the Wii was first conceived. Research was done on the Move back in 2001, and the idea for Wii was conceived in 2001 as well. So really no one copied anyone here, they both had an idea at the same time.

And look man, remember that I stated facts and also my opinions as well.
You've already agreed to the facts, and we're past that. So to call me a "fanboy" for my opinions seems like you don't want to try and accept my opinion as my own. I completely respect your opinion on where you think the Move will go, and I understand what you're saying completely. But don't sit here and call me a fanboy because I have a more optimistic outlook on the Move than you do.

I hope you understand, have a good one.

eatcomics wrote:Thank you... god PS3... you can suck a chode, why don't you guys man up and play a real console, like SNES

Pfft... SNES is a pile, I stick to the old pen and paper games

LeonBlade wrote:Sure, pull the "fanboy" argument the minute someone disagrees with your statement.

No, the fanboy comment was simply a response to you sounding like a Move advertisement bot. "1:1 perfect 3D capturing!" - yeah, and for what? I'll give you a little equation to simplify things:

Motion controls* = gimmicky nonsense = casual gamers and fanboys only

Seeing as how it's literally just the Wii only more accurate, you're competing against something at less than half your cost.

LeonBlade wrote:As if taking a step from 2D to 3D isn't innovative.

Not really. Taking a controller that works in two dimensions and going "what if we made it work in THREE dimensions?!" isn't exactly stretching the imagination - it's a basic logical step. Difficult to do, sure. Difficult to conceive of, no, not in the least. Unless you'd like to make the argument that innovation is simply being the first to do something that everyone already thought of but never completed. You'd be on some unsteady ground, but have at it.

LeonBlade wrote:The cost is fair considering you get what you pay for

Even if that were an objective statement, it would be irrelevant. Again, you're looking more at the casual gamer market for this, and they're simply not going to spend that kind of money when the Wii is less than half the cost. Because it's not worth it to them. They don't care about millimeter and centimeter accuracy, they just want something that's fun to play, and doesn't cost too much.

LeonBlade wrote:but the thing is the waggle motion is all you get with the Wii.

LeonBlade wrote:So I'm pretty sure the price of the PS3 isn't that much in terms of what you get in the package.

LeonBlade wrote:And again, you get what you pay for with Move,

LeonBlade wrote:and you're paying for a more immersive and superior form of motion control than the Wii.

LeonBlade wrote:So of course it's going to cost more, plain and simple.

LeonBlade wrote:And yes, one can argue that the Motion Plus isn't that much less than the Move now. However, you're still not getting the accuracy that it should have in the controllers on top of the many other benefits that the PS3 has over the Wii anyway.

LeonBlade wrote:So again, you're getting what you pay for, even if it's a small gap of improvement as you said, it's still a huge step up from the Wii.

How many times can you say the same thing? You can't sell a casual gamer a motion control system based off of technical specifications the same way you can't sell a car to an engineer based on the pretty color. You have to know what your audience cares about in order to interest them in something. Sony either doesn't know or doesn't care.

LeonBlade wrote:And Wii owns the market for more casual experiences, however I was completely drawn away from the Wii however I consider PlayStation Move something I'm would be highly interested in, and I may plan to purchase in the future.

And why? Because you're a fanboy? Because you don't care about "casual experiences"? It's pretty obvious you're already biased, so why bother stating that you'd rather have the product you're biased toward?

LeonBlade wrote:combined with the PS3 power and graphics you can immerse yourself more and potentially have a better more enjoyable time using it.

I think you're understating the importance of the word "potentially" there. The Move hasn't proven anything yet, so your argument is pure speculation.

LeonBlade wrote:But each to their own of course, it's all about who you are and what you enjoy.

This is pretty much the only sensible thing you said. Unfortunately, it nullifies your valiant defense of the Move. If it all boils down to "whatever you want", why bother adamantly asserting the superiority of one system?

LeonBlade wrote:Nintendo over the past few years has gone with the whole gimmick and casual approach. They find something that's new and unique but they don't put a lot of power behind it. Take a look at the DS and the Wii, they're selling like hotcakes, but their unique features aren't being used as they should be, especially on the DS. It seems that half of the games don't even have a good use for the touch screen.

Please think long and hard about this paragraph. Put all your concentration into it. Try to make sense of what you're saying here. I'll guide you...

Nintendo.. new and unique.. very little power.. selling like hotcakes...

It's almost like... the vast majority of consumers don't give a shit about the processing power you can jam into a device, and just want something fresh and fun! Holy shit, it's like we just rediscovered the universe.

LeonBlade wrote:And regarding the whole copying thing, the Move was in development back around the same time the Wii was first conceived. Research was done on the Move back in 2001, and the idea for Wii was conceived in 2001 as well. So really no one copied anyone here, they both had an idea at the same time.

They both had the idea at the same time.. it just took Sony six more years to do - but hey, they did it better! Too little, too late.

LeonBlade wrote:But don't sit here and call me a fanboy because I have a more optimistic outlook on the Move than you do.

It's not your optimism of the Move, it's your dismissal of the success of the Wii simply because it's doesn't meet your "power" requirements, and your assertion of Sony's superiority despite its comparatively abysmal market share. And all this after saying "to each their own".

*I am referring to current motion controls - I think there is potential for truly immersive, non-stick-waggling motion controls in the future.

I tend to repeat myself because I forget what I've already said, and want to clarify.

The fanboy comment it's how I always talk, I can talk about anything in that manner, I was simply pointing out features.

Motion Controls don't have to be for casual users, they can be for more hardcore experiences as well.

The Wii has it's fair share of more hardcore games too, however it's more catered towards the casual gamers in general.

The Move wasn't marketed for just casuals, and is put out there to attract everyone from casual to hardcore gamers.

I understand your innovative argument, however it is still an advancement and a great one at that.

The price thing again I explained that it's not just a casual market.

The reason I'm more interested personally in the Move is because it seems to offer more than the Wii, I actually own a Wii and I honestly don't see games that interest me. I've played Monster Hunter Tri, that was okay but still not enough to get me hooked. I've seen a few games already that have caught my attention in the Move, that's just my opinion no?

Am I biased? If biased is to be used in this sense you might as well say anything you prefer over something else in any situation you're being biased towards. If the Wii had better technology than the Move, I'd like the Wii better, it has nothing to do with being biased. Just because I have an opinion, doesn't make it biased.

The Move has already proven it has very fluid and accurate controls, it's already out and I've seen some hands on demonstrations at Best Buy from other people using it, unfortunately I wasn't able to try it myself. I've played the Wii, not with Motion Plus however, so I really can't make a full comparison without it. But from what I've seen visually, I can make an estimate.

Each to his own yes, I was simply restating what I said and again saying that it's my opinion.
The facts that I stated are facts, and the opinions are opinions. The only reason why it was so long is because I tend to write a lot, and end up repeating myself a number of times.

Read the entire paragraph if you're going to comment on it. If I ended it with just "Nintendo comes out with new stuff, less powerful, but sells a shit load" then I can see what you mean. But I started it with that, and added that while it's new, it doesn't seem to be full fledged or fully thought over (gimmick). It just doesn't seem to last long, again with the example of DS titles not even taking use of the touch screen for anything. They run with an idea that lasts for a year and then it just kinda drags on the ground and picks up the large casual market while the rivaling companies Microsoft and Sony are putting out more impressive feats.

Of course I'm also looking for fun, that's the main reason why you buy a gaming console of course. But I want something that's full featured, not something half ass. That's why I don't like playing my Wii, but again it's my taste.

And it's not too little, too late. Maybe for you, but not for everyone else out there that has or will end up purchasing it.
And the only reason I brought it up is to say copying is out of the question.

And yes, I have a more optimistic outlook on the Move because I believe it brings to the table what the Wii failed to deliver. And if that's because the Wii doesn't fill the needs that I look for, then clearly that's the reason I have a higher outlook on the Move.

Leonblade wrote:Pfft... SNES is a pile, I stick to the old pen and paper games

Leon you's dumb as hell. I play pen and paper games too, we're talking about video game consoles though. That's like being like so I hear you play professional tennis? No I play professional table tennis... they're two completely different things... get a better come back xD

Just wanted to mention Legend Of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass made an awesome use of the touchscreen AND both screens (and the mic...), I've never enjoyed a game like this for years. But you may be right Leon about most DS games not using the touchscreen in a good way, I don't have a very good outlook on DS games tbh.

eatcomics wrote:

Leonblade wrote:Pfft... SNES is a pile, I stick to the old pen and paper games

Leon you's dumb as hell. I play pen and paper games too, we're talking about video game consoles though. That's like being like so I hear you play professional tennis? No I play professional table tennis... they're two completely different things... get a better come back xD

Yeah, we would have someone who draws the next scene on the paper, they were the video buffer.
It takes a while, but I feel it's an immersive experience that only true pen and paper experience can offer.

ok I give you props for that one