The great debate! Organized Religion vs Logic.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:10 pm
Part 2!THE DEBATE ON MSN wrote:Falco says:
he's coming.
Falco says:
We're both in the same room.
Falco says:
This'll be sooo fun.
Anton says:
lol
Falco says:
Dude, you have to hear his beliefs.
Falco says:
Sometimes I want to fucking rip my own cock off.
Falco says:
goddamn him.
Anton says:
XD
Falco says:
THERE
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Falco says:
ahem.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
?
Falco says:
Okay, lets start at square one.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
What was TV's last argument? Post.
Falco says:
Tvspelsfreak: If none of the bible has been proven and even the tiniest bit of science has been proven then isn't science infinitely more likely to be true than religion?
Falco says:
That's exactly what I told you a few minutes ago.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
The question isn't wheather one or the other is true--Science is true by definition, so YES. The question is about the part of UNPROVEN science that is equally likely.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
A theory, by DEFINITION, is unproven.
Falco says:
Yes, but a theory contradicts science none.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
So uh. What exactly was that post trying to prove again?
Falco says:
Religion contradicts science.
Falco says:
So the THEORY of the big bang is infinitely more likely than any religion against the big bang.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
No. An invalid assumption like that is one that can't even be used in a debate.
Falco says:
. . .
Falco says:
Tvspels.
Falco says:
How is my argument invalid?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Religion contradicts science is a false statement.
Falco says:
TVSPELSFREAK
Falco says:
WHERE ARE YOU!?
Anton says:
Yo
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
And it's the basis of your argument.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Though MOST religions tend to defy it
Falco says:
How is the statement "Religion does not contradict science" true.
Falco says:
Name one that doesn't.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Unnamed. Undenominational. Personal beliefs.
Falco says:
wait, wait, wait. I have an idea.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
A religion is defined as a personal beliefs
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Deism
Falco says:
Okay.
Falco says:
Lets assume that no religion contradicts science.
Falco says:
None. They are all congruent.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
That would also be false...but ok
Falco says:
Even you will agree that religion has more factors.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Has more factors than what?
Falco says:
Like a god with powers, things that you say cannot be proven false.
Falco says:
Than straight science.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
No.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Again, not all religions rely on a supreme 'being.' Some believe in an entity and not a 'god' for say.
Falco says:
You think there are no additional factors to (true) religion than pure science?
Falco says:
BELIEVE
Falco says:
THEY BELIEVE.
Falco says:
Is a BELIEF science?
Falco says:
That's an additional factor.
Anton says:
Yeah
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Is a theory science? That's not the argument.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Irrelevant.
Falco says:
A theory IS science.
Falco says:
It's COMPLETELY relevant.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
No. A theory is BASED on science.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
It's actually the OPPOSITE of science. It's science in the making.
Falco says:
A theory must be scientifically possible. It must make sense.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
It's UNPROVEN science.
Falco says:
UNPROVEN, yet completely in agreement with science.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Ok. Then i shall call religion a theory.
Falco says:
Only, it's not.
Falco says:
A divine entity does happen to defy science.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Only, yeah. You're generalizations are again invalid.
Anton says:
Religion is not in agreement with science
Falco says:
So it can't be a theory.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
TV, same reason.
Falco says:
So please, prove a god with science.
Falco says:
Prove it can be possible.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Not all religions defy science.
Falco says:
THEN PROVE IT.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
That's not my argument.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I'm not arguing for god.
Falco says:
You're arguing a deistic religion is as likely as an atheistic one.
Falco says:
WE KNOW.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I'm countering your argument, and doing a pretty fucking good job ((seeing as you're getting off on everything but the topic...Lack of arguments?))
Falco says:
. . .
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Now. lets resume
Falco says:
wtf?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I'm going to use theory and religion interchangably.
Falco says:
...................
Falco says:
WAIT.
Falco says:
First.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Because the religions I'm referring to are SOLELY the ones that DON"T defy science.
Falco says:
Does a religion (deism, anything) require faith?
Falco says:
by definition.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Define faith.
Falco says:
a religion is faith-based.
Anton says:
So you're not referring to any religion?
Falco says:
2. belief that is not based on proof:
Falco says:
ROOOOOFL!!!!!!!!
Falco says:
dictionary.com
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Anton says:
So you're not referring to any religion?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Referring to no specific large scale religion, no.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
But a religion (m-w.com) can ALSO be defined as personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
PERSONAL set. Does not require mass conformity.
Falco says:
Still, a religion requires more than just SCIENCE.
Falco says:
It requires FAITH.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Oh? As does a theory.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
For a theory to be universally accepted, it must be presumed true, which, due to it being unproven, requires faith also.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
So no, not another variable.
Falco says:
Yes, but it defies nothing. It's scientifically possible.
Falco says:
Science agrees with it.
Falco says:
Faith is not the same.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Again, the religions I am referring to are the ones that agree with science (the way you stated it, 'science agrees with it, is invalid')
Falco says:
Faith is blind. Science doesn't support it. You support it in your mind.
Falco says:
THEN YOU REFER TO NO RELIGION.
Falco says:
Then you're referring to atheism.
Falco says:
Because it's the only one that agrees with science.
Falco says:
So we win. XD
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
We've already gone over this. Ignore my arguments?
Anton says:
What arguments?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Anton says:
So you're not referring to any religion?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Referring to no specific large scale religion, no.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
But a religion (m-w.com) can ALSO be defined as personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
Falco says:
Until you're able to PROVE that the idea of a god is supported by science, you're "ideal" religion that's congruous with science STILL has an extra factor that is infinitely less likely than atheism to be true.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
It does not require a mass conformity, and I am referring to personal beliefs of people that can centralize a religion around science.
Falco says:
...wtf?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I'm not argueing an idea of god.
Anton says:
Please explain
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I'm arguing the idea of religion.
Falco says:
I have no idea what he's talking about.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
A belief of factor x.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
A belief in there being more to science than proven.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
And, by argueing factor x, I'm saying that factor x can be filled with religion.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
As it has no proven value.
Anton says:
Only if it goes hand in hand with proven science
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
And your value, purely based on science as it CURRENTLY exists, is equally likely to be true AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
So we are at an agreement.
Falco says:
Atheism has no factor X. It's completely science. By arguing that, you're saying that factor X is ADDITIONAL. Religion DEMANDS a factor X to go ALONG with science. So atheism is still infinitely more likely than an unprovable factor X ONTOP of science being true.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
No, excuse me, possible agreement.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Atheism isn't the topic of discussion here..
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
But...
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
If you want to take that rout.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Then this is why you're wrong:
Cole has been added to the conversation.
Falco says:
welcome.
Anton says:
Atheism goes hand in hand with science, no religion does. That's our point.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Oh? 3 on 1?
Cole says:
I agree.
Falco says:
Atheism IS what's in discussion. Why the hell would we debate anything else?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
No, that's NOT the point Gyro started this with.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
And that's NOT what I'm trying to prove.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Now. Stfu and give me a second to scroll up and reply to gyro's invalid stupidity.
Falco says:
Falco says:
Atheism has no factor X. It's completely science. By arguing that, you're saying that factor X is ADDITIONAL. Religion DEMANDS a factor X to go ALONG with science. So atheism is still infinitely more likely than an unprovable factor X ONTOP of science being true.
Falco says:
he calls it stupid before he's even read it.
Falco says:
An unbiased debator indeed!
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I never claimed to be unbiased--doing so would make a debate IMPOSSIBLE.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
As being biased is taking a side, and the point of a debate is to DEFEND YOURS.
Falco says:
okay, okay WHAT THE FUCK EVER.
Falco says:
NOBODY CARES. REFUTE MY CLAIMS DAMNIT.
Falco says:
We don't give a FUCK if you're biased.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Stop getting off on irrelevant info.
Falco says:
..........
Falco says:
Are you going to respond to my argument?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
By definition, you and I both are equally in this instance. Shut up. Argue with dignity and validity.
Falco says:
WILL YOU PLEASE
Falco says:
RESPOND TO MY
Falco says:
MOTHEFUCKING POST
Falco says:
AND QUIT GETTING OFF ON FUCKING SEMANTICS
Falco says:
FOR THE LOVE OF SWEET FUCKING VIRGIN MARY THAT I JERKED OFF TO A FEW MONTHS AGO.
Cole says:
Lol... shit.
Anton says:
lol
Falco says:
shit, gotta piss, brb.
Falco says:
It'll give him time to come up with new material.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Now.
Cole says:
Or just more excuses to avoid the argument at hand.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
This may be hard for you to grasp
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
So, I need you to shut up for a moment and give me time to voice the WHOLE argument before you begin trying to rebute it.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Understood?
Anton says:
Sure, go ahead
Cole says:
Shut up and type powk.
Falco says:
go for it.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
This is the way it's going to play out.
Falco says:
I just took a fucking piss, and there's still nothing new.
Cole says:
Lol...
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Atheism has no factor X. It's completely science. [FALSE]. By arguing that, you're saying that factor X is ADDITIONAL. [TRUE]. Religion DEMANDS a factor X to go ALONG with science [TRUE]. So atheism is still infinitely more likely than an unprovable factor X ONTOP of science being true. [FALSE]
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Now, allow me to explain.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Atheism is DEFINED by the LACK OF BELIEF in a god.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Woah.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
No
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Sorry
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
My bad. Not what I meant to say, false. No it's not. ((I just said EXACTLY what i'm trying to disprove.))
Falco says:
dictionary.com
Falco says:
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Atheism is NOT defined by the lack of belif in a god.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
EXACTLY.
Falco says:
uhm.
Falco says:
Yes it is.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Atheism is a BELIF.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
**belief
Falco says:
doctrine OR belief.
Falco says:
A doctrine based in science is no belief.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Which, on SO many grounds (give me a seconds and I'll get to them all) invalidate your argument.
Cole says:
The lack of belief in god, and the belief in the lack of a god are pretty much the same if you ask me.
Falco says:
You're believing only that which is provable.
Cole says:
So get to the point already.
Falco says:
yeah, fuck.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
No. They are different.
Falco says:
He's building this up more than foreplay with the cheerleader time. Somehow I doubt the orgasm at the end.
Falco says:
*team
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
1) You already argued earlier that a belief is a faith, which is unattained by science.
Cole says:
Lol!
Cole says:
Are you going to post the definition of 'faith' as well?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Already did.
Falco says:
2. belief that is not based on proof:
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
We're at an agreement there, you already argued it. Just that point would make your statement invalid. though allow me to continue.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Atheism is a RELIGION. It is a BELIEF. A FAITh, which, by your just now posted thing, is UNPROVEN.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
A belief is a fiath based on NO proof.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
*****not based on proof.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Next.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Back to factor x.
Falco says:
Atheism is embracing pure science. explain to me how that is unproven.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Shut up and let me scroll up to see my agenda again
Falco says:
wtf!?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
By DEFINITION it is unproven.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
It embracing science is irrelevant
Falco says:
It said doctrine OR faith.
Falco says:
Didn't say it must be faith.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I'm argueing for the religions that embrace it also, remember?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
It also calls for a factor x.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Just as a religion does.
Falco says:
You can be an atheist for having FAITH that there is no god, or you can be one for realizing that science disagrees with the fact that there's a god.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
a faith.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
No, you can't.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Or, by DEFINITIOn, you're NOT atheist.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
You're simply not a diest.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Atheism has no factor X. It's completely science. [FALSE]. By arguing that, you're saying that factor X is ADDITIONAL. [TRUE]. Religion DEMANDS a factor X to go ALONG with science [TRUE]. So atheism is still infinitely more likely than an unprovable factor X ONTOP of science being true. [FALSE]
Falco says:
...........
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Um..what's next? Okay.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
By arguing that, you're saying that factor X is ADDITIONAL. [TRUE]
Anton says:
Atheism is not a religion
Falco says:
a·the·ism (ā'thē-ĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key
n.
1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
2. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.
Anton says:
It's the complete opposite
Cole says:
I disagree that atheism is a religion, rather a lack of religion.
Anton says:
the lack of religion
Falco says:
I have a DOCTRINE that there is no god. It's not a BELIEF.
Anton says:
Haha
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
No. It's not.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Reread the religion definition
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Agnostic is lack of religion
Falco says:
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
Anton says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith (m-w.com)
Cole says:
No
Falco says:
We don't have a set of BELIEFS. It's not a belief. We don't have devotional, ritualistic observances, moral codes, or any of that bullshit.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
It doesn't require them.
Cole says:
Agnostic is the belief that there is no possible way to know if there is a god or not.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
It can contain, though doesn't require.
Falco says:
Cole is right.
Falco says:
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christi
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Shut up for a second, and allow me to REITERATE.
Cole says:
Atheists are convinced that there is no god.
Falco says:
There is one motherfucking 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
Cole says:
I have a scrolllbar dickhead.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Because obviously this is where we're at a disagreemnt.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
STOP POSTING FUCKING DEFINITIONS. WE've GOT 9 ALREADY.
Falco says:
There is one motherfucking definition that doesn't use the word "belief." We aren't talking about monks.
Falco says:
RELIGION REQUIRES BELIEF.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Exactly.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
As does ATHEISM.
Falco says:
...........
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Religion is DEFINED by belief.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
As is ATHEISM
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Read every definition of it.
Cole says:
Yeah, belief without scientific proof
Falco says:
If you define agreeing with science as a "belief," then what the fuck ever.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Atheism is defined by the BELIEF that there's no god, NOT the LACK OF BELIEF>
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
You believe that god CANNOT exist. Not simply that he doesn't because it's unlikely. You believe that sciance, as we know it, means it CANNOT.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Atheism agrees with science, yes. No, that's not the definition of a belief, and making generalizations like that are invalid.
Anton says:
"When defined more broadly, atheism is the absence of belief in deities"
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Source?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
That's too broad of a definition to be valid.
Falco says:
It's perfectly valid, powk.
Anton says:
Wikipedia, which got it from Encyclopædia Britannica
Falco says:
READ THIS:
Falco says:
1. something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.
2. confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.
3. confidence; faith; trust: a child's belief in his parents.
4. a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief.
Falco says:
The definition of belief is unprovable. Science is provable.
Falco says:
Atheism CANNOT be a belief.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
And you're citing wikipedia as credible? Don't make me laugh. Notice how it says WHEN DEFINED BROADLY.
Anton says:
I said what wikipedia got it from
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
What part of stop posting definitions didn't you understand? I'm trying to make a point fuckbag.
Falco says:
A blatantly douchebaggy point, cuntrod.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
And? How's that realivant? It's a GENERALIZATION that WIKIPEDIA made of a valid source. An INVALID generalization of a VALID source.
Falco says:
The definition of belief is unprovable. Science is provable fact.
Anton says:
The exact quote: "...a more adequate characterization of atheism consists in the more complex claim that to be an atheist is to be someone who rejects belief in God for [reasons that depend] on how God is being conceived."
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Atheism is a RELIGION. Your argument, and the argument at debate here, is that Atheism is more likely, by statistics, to be true than ANY other religion, or religions, collectively, and therefore anyone who believes in a religion of other than this is a n 'idiot'.
Cole says:
Atheism is NOT a religion pokw.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Yes, it is.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
By definition.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
TV, source.
Falco says:
Something based in fact is infinitely more likely than something based on the unproven.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
That's not at discussion.
Cole says:
Because religion requires 'faith' which is unable to be proven scientifically, which is the entire reason atheism exists.
Falco says:
exactly.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Atheism required faith.
Cole says:
Faith in?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Faith in the lack of a deism.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Atheism does NOT deny that there's a variable x.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
If it did, then it WOULD NOT go hand in hand with science.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
And thus, the whole argument is flipped.
Falco says:
Powk, start declaring your variables for fuck sake. This isn't Java or C-tic-tac-toe here.
Cole says:
LOL
Cole says:
Amen
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
The whole point here is that variable x is UNDECLARED, and UNDEFINED both.
Falco says:
So it's a compiler error, which means that deism, theism, and all of that bullshit of religion cannot fucking exist, so you lose.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
And thus, it exists without a positive definitions to this point an can be an array reference for all we fucking know.
Falco says:
...it wouldn't compile, assweed.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
No, because you'd lose also, making me win.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Making it equally likely.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Idiot.
Falco says:
Okay, define for me (NOT DECLARE) atheism's "undeclared" variable X.
Falco says:
With your fucked-ass Java coding style.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
No, because Java is like Christianity.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
you don't need to declare your variables.
Cole says:
A pile of shit...
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I'm arugieng completely C.
Falco says:
LOL!!!!!!!
Anton says:
ROFL
Falco says:
You said atheism has a variable X that is undeclared.
Cole says:
well, I disagree.
Falco says:
So what the fuck is this variable that you pulled out of your asshole?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Aight. I need a break for a moment. piss, drink, reenergize.
Cole says:
the variable has to be declared.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I'll explain when I return.
Anton says:
And atheism is the lack of belief
Falco says:
Powk is gone for now.
Anton says:
And it's not a religion
Falco says:
Wow, what a fucker.
Falco says:
This isn't Perl or Java or any of that shit up in here!
Cole says:
If you reference an undeclared variable x, your compiler will gawk at you and say WTF??? x?? you dumbass.
Falco says:
Fat shit's compiler has some serious fucking issues, apparently.
Falco says:
Do you guys see what I'm talking about? He's arguing in circles.
Falco says:
It's so fucking frustrating.
Cole says:
Haha yeah, however humoring.
Falco says:
Nothing gets through his tubby ass.
Anton says:
And since when didn't you have to declare your variables in Java?
Falco says:
>XD
Falco says:
haha.
Falco says:
Marcel has no idea about Java.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Back. don't talk, let me catch up
Cole says:
Forget fucking java, back to the point.
Cole says:
x=???
TO BE CONTINUED!!!![Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Aight.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I have no idea about java. Also, my termanology might be screwed.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
int <var>
Falco says:
nobody gives a fuck.
Falco says:
okay.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
int is the...? Declaration.
Falco says:
YES
Falco says:
GODDAMNIT.
Anton says:
Get to the point
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
no. Since you've brought this up, it's become realivant. i'm going to tie it to my argument.
Falco says:
Yes, motherfucker. If the entire argument against atheism is an integer vector, then so-be-it.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Or not. Fine. On with debate, so I may contine to shoot down all that you toss my way.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I'm not argueing against atheism, smart dumbshit.
Falco says:
Pork, you haven't shot down what's gone your way. You've let everything we've thrown at you crawl up your asshole.
Falco says:
You're arguing that the chances of there being a god are as likely as there not being a god. Which we all call bullshit on.
Cole says:
And then you puke out some irrelevant nonsense that you claim is some sort of proof.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Stop. I'm going to leave if you continue to argue like a flaming douche.
Falco says:
fine.
Falco says:
I'll be civil.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
If you feel it's irrelevant, call me on it.
Falco says:
We have been.
Cole says:
called
Falco says:
haha.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Which part. Allow me to readdress.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Tv, you alive?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Variable x. exists.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
One way or another, no matter what you argue, it does.
Cole says:
If atheism requires a variable x, then what does it require it for?? and what is x?
Falco says:
uhm. Where's your proof? What the fuck is this variable x? Exactly. Quit talking about it and fucking tell us what it is!
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Okay. good question. Allow me to get there in just a second.
Falco says:
NO, GODDAMNIT.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Shut up and allow me to talk.
Cole says:
We've been waiting hundreds of seconds douche.
Falco says:
You argue for an hour assuming something that you haven't yet addressed is true.
Cole says:
Uhhhh
Cole says:
We're not locking up your keyboard assmunch.
Falco says:
hahaa!
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
because it is true and your arrogance refuses to believe it. Now, civilness, begin.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Variable x is undefined.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
It can be ANYTHING
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
A memory point reference to a larger thing.
Falco says:
If it can be anything, and it's undefined, how the fuck do you know it exists?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
A fucking reference to a whole hiarchy of classes.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
OR, it can be null.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Because, by definition of the argument, it does. Allow me to get there IN JUST A FUCKING MINUTE>
Falco says:
If it's null, atheism has no X. Which makes it still more likely than theism. So you lose.
Cole says:
... omg...
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
No, it doesn't. It being null would mean atheism is true. However, it's NOT null, and we're not bebating the value. One you finish letting me explain WHAT IT IS I'll explain WHY it is
Cole says:
A reference to a whole heirarchy of classes??? wtf are you talking about, quit straying from the point.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I'm only straying because of fucking interruptions.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Shut up.
Cole says:
Well... You said x could be ANYTHING.
Cole says:
Therefore it could be null.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Yes. YES.
Falco says:
haha!
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I just said that. Shut the fuck up and listen.
Cole says:
Uhmmm once again, we're not locking up your keyboard.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
What part of shut the fuck up didn't you get?
Falco says:
Pork can't pull shit out of his asshole when we're typing.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Aight, I'm about to leave.
Falco says:
Anton, you there?
Falco says:
FINE, PRICK.
Falco says:
PISS BREAK
Falco says:
BRB
Anton says:
I'm here
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I can't see what i'm trying to read if you keep typing. do it in private chat then.
Cole says:
Just fucking type and don't make assanine attempts to make us stop arguing in a DEBATE you fucking MORON.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Okay. Variable x exists. It does by all of our definitions, and by definition of this argument. You disagree, and you should. I will tell you WHY is exists in JUST A SECOND. FIRST, on the agenda, I'll tell you what it IS. Then i tell you WHY. I'm going to use programming terminology to help illustrate my point mathmatically, so if I type something wrong or say something really wack, call me on
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
it
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Variable X is the part of science that is undiscovered.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
It is undefined.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
There is a possibility that it is null, in which case, we've got it all, and atheism is true.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
But there's a possibility that it's a refernce point to a whole fucking class. A whole new dimension.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
And that's where religion would come in.
Cole says:
I don't recall declaring an x.
Falco says:
baaack.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
The bible, by some miraculous bullshit, could be stored within this variable.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
We'll declare it in a moment, stfu.
Cole says:
Uhmmm. No.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Okay. Now, I need a straight, SIMPLE answer to this question. All 3 of you tell me your answers.
Cole says:
Okay. Variable x exists. It does by all of our definitions, and by definition of this argument.
Cole says:
Is what you said
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
YES.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I'm getting there.
Cole says:
Now explain THAT specifically.
Cole says:
No, that was the first thing you said.
Cole says:
Before you move on.
Cole says:
Clarify.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I am.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Now.
Falco says:
Marcel, you do realize that you just admitted defeat by saying "There is a possibility that it is null." Religion DEMANDS an X, which still makes atheism more likely.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Becuase you're impatient bitches, I am. Answer my question, all of you, breifly.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
No, I didn't. Shut up and listen, smart dumbshit.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
RELIGION demands an X, which is what i'm proving.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
That's why I DIDN'T admit defeat.
Cole says:
And once again, atheism is not a religion.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Listen idiots. EVERY time you interrupt, I have to stay from the topic and fucking rebute your on EVERY statement in order to validate mine. If you want to get to the point, SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Cole says:
Buddhism is religion, and atheistic religion, meaning that they do not belive in a diety.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Yes, it is, and we've already proven that.
Cole says:
As is satanism.
Cole says:
Atheism is NOT a religion.
Cole says:
Religions can BE atheistic.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
YES, it is. Being a religion does NOT mean that your belief cannot be the basis of another religion.
Falco says:
Cole is right.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Christians based their religion on the Jewish religion, the old testament, then added shit.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I'm about to leave unless you learn how to debate. We're straying for far from the point, AGAin, and in order to validate mine, now I have to take time to prove you wrong, AGAIN. If one part of my argument is false, it all is. i'll never get to it unless you shut up. Also, go by fucking REAL debating. If you're going to make a gerneralization like "COLE IS RIGHT," then you'd better have fukcing me
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
ans of enforcing it.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I can't believe I'm having to tell a room full of atheists to ARGUE WITH LOGIC.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Atheism is a religion.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
I've proven it.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Disprove me now or agree, atleast momentarily, so I can continue.
Cole says:
ATHEISM IS LOGIC
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Based on what?
Cole says:
Is based on logic rather.
Cole says:
The logic that there is no wordly scientific proof that a supreme power exists.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Yes. Thanks. NOW we can move on (I told you all to anser my ONE question. I was going to ask you, what is Atheism based on. that's the answer I was looking for. Thanks.)
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
How is a conclusion logic?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
You mean logic based on proven science, right?
Cole says:
Where as christianity is based on 'faith' which is unproven, and unprovable.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
All of you. Atheism is based on science, correct?
Cole says:
1
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Logically following science.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Okay, finally, we agree.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
TV, you agree?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Tv, you there?
Anton says:
Hold up, reading
Falco says:
You fucking killed the man.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Tell me when to resume. i'm nearing my dramatic conclusion.
Falco says:
. . .
Falco says:
It's not an orgasm.
Falco says:
I feel like I'm playing Furcadia, arguing with powk.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Oh, it will be. Just a little, TINEY bit more foreplay.
Anton says:
Atheism is defined as a lack of belief. And it's based on logic. I agree on that
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Let TV catch up. Gyro, you concur?
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
No. We've already argued this.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
We're at a disagreement Anton.
Anton says:
That we are
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
One moment, hold that thought.
Cole says:
Lack of belief!!
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Cole, agreed witht he statement "Atheism is based on science and logic."
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Gyro, do you?
Cole says:
Okay. Variable x exists. It does by all of our definitions, and by definition of this argument.
Cole says:
shit disregard that
Falco says:
haha.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Gyro, you agree?
Cole says:
re·li·gion /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-lij-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of
Falco says:
Yeah, atheism is based on science and logic.
Cole says:
BELIEFS
Falco says:
not beliefs, cuntwrangler.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Okay. Shut up.
Cole says:
a set of BELIEFS
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Anton, meet me in private chat.
Cole says:
Anton says:
Atheism is defined as a lack of belief. And it's based on logic. I agree on that
Falco says:
NO
Anton says:
What for?
Falco says:
YOU PRICK.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Because you agree with me, He doesn't.
Falco says:
LOL. He's talking to my dad on the phone saying that he's winning this debate. ROFL>
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
You'll just get in the way. i need to make him believe real fast.
[Arce] - WTF's up with life? O.o;;;; says:
Wait a sec, fone/
Cole says:
Lol... Oh lord.
Falco says:
Anton, don't. He'll probably flash his cock.
Anton says:
In what part do I agree with you?
Falco says:
"I'll make a believer out of you!"
*Pork wants to send mycock.PNG*
Anton says:
rofl
Falco says:
He's on the phone.
Falco says:
What a prick.
Falco says:
He has gotten NOWHERE.
Falco says:
Every fucking one of us has disproven his ass.
Cole says:
LOL
Cole says:
Haha dude, he's a christian.