Need to make a decision.
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:11 am
Blitz is fast and simple, but horribly leanient. C++ is harder, but way more structured. Can't decide.
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I hope you meant "You've never made a graphical game in blitz." as "You've never made a graphical game in c++". Though that is also somewhat wrong. I've made graphical program in SDL, as I've said before. It's not that hard "Simple Direct Media".Super Sonic wrote:First off, there is no way you'd be able to make one in C++. You don't know DirectX, SDL, or anything like that. Then you have much more experience with Blitz.
You've never made a graphical game in blitz. It isn't going to be a walk in the park how you think. You'll see...
I thought you decided that you'd stick with blitz btw. Also, aren't you supposed to finish the Mario castle thing before you start on a new game?
Yeah, I did mean you've never made anything graphical in C++. lol, how embarrassing.JS Lemming wrote:I hope you meant "You've never made a graphical game in blitz." as "You've never made a graphical game in c++". Though that is also somewhat wrong. I've made graphical program in SDL, as I've said before. It's not that hard "Simple Direct Media".
Actually, that's not what I meant at all. I, myself, have started a C/C++ game (the dreamcast one, duh) and haven't even come near completing it. Look at all of the countless games and minigames you've completed before I could do one.Js Lemming wrote:I'm kinda shocked that you think I couldn't make a graphical game in C++. Now I'm afraid I'll have to shove one up your.... face. :Mr. Green:
My reasoning, C++ is 100,000,000 times more organized then Blitz. C++ has so many more useful features then Blitz.First off, what is your reasoning for wanting to do that? There is nothing you're going to do in SDL that is going to affect the game versus it being in blitz. I think you're just doing it to say "Hey, I did it in C++!".
For one thing, I don't do things to say "Hey everbody look, I'm neato!". Who do you think I am? Duh, C++ is harder then Blitz, Blitz is BASIC.But still, assuming that you want to be able to say that so bad, why would you switch from blitz, which you've had countless experience with to C++/SDL? Making something in C/C++ is a BILLION times harder than blitz.
You never know how a project will go, but the language has no effect, I know C++.Do you really want to risk what I assume you want to be your "most ambitious project yet"? You might end up with some sort of sub-par creation that you'd be ashamed of. Then there is the development time in C++. The project might start off really enthusiastic, but as time pushes on I think you'll find yourself loosing interest.
That was a long time ago. Aren't people aloud to change their minds?Then, there is the fact that you said: "Oh, I hate SDL, it is so slow... blah... blah <insert random complaint here>" That's hyprocritical. If you really did mean all of that, why'd you wanna switch?
I'm begining to care less about what you think.Okay, there are the downs. But by all means, go right on ahead. When you don't complete your project or switch back to Blitz I'm not even going to say that I told you so. I know it'll happen like I know Michael Jackson will marry George W. Bush.
Who said I didn't want a carrer that involved programming. Game making in't the only use for programming you know.I meant that by I don't think it'd be worth the effort for you, who has no intention of ever even getting into a carreer of programming or game development. I don't recommend C/C++ for anything graphical to anybody unless they want to do something with it for a carreer or something.
I guess C++ is more organized than blitz. What kind of useful feature are you talking about that C++ has that blitz lacks?JS Lemming wrote:My reasoning, C++ is 100,000,000 times more organized then Blitz. C++ has so many more useful features then Blitz.First off, what is your reasoning for wanting to do that? There is nothing you're going to do in SDL that is going to affect the game versus it being in blitz. I think you're just doing it to say "Hey, I did it in C++!".
Yeah, you're right on that. I know you wouldn't do that. My bad.JS Lemming wrote:For one thing, I don't do things to say "Hey everbody look, I'm neato!". Who do you think I am? Duh, C++ is harder then Blitz, Blitz is BASIC.But still, assuming that you want to be able to say that so bad, why would you switch from blitz, which you've had countless experience with to C++/SDL? Making something in C/C++ is a BILLION times harder than blitz.
Yes, you never do know how a project will go. But also, you're WRONG. Language has every affect. What isn't affected by language? How can you say that it has no affect? Yes, you know C++ very well too. You aren't an SDL guru though. You're forgetting that factor. Do you even have a book or resource that would allow you to learn it? C++ isn't the whole point. SDL is a huge part of it.JS Lemming wrote:You never know how a project will go, but the language has no effect, I know C++.Do you really want to risk what I assume you want to be your "most ambitious project yet"? You might end up with some sort of sub-par creation that you'd be ashamed of. Then there is the development time in C++. The project might start off really enthusiastic, but as time pushes on I think you'll find yourself loosing interest.
Of course people can change their minds. But all that I'm seeing that makes you want to change your mind is that it is "better organized". There is still nothing wrong with that, I just think that it'd be a better idea to go with Blitz.JS Lemming wrote:That was a long time ago. Aren't people aloud to change their minds?Then, there is the fact that you said: "Oh, I hate SDL, it is so slow... blah... blah <insert random complaint here>" That's hyprocritical. If you really did mean all of that, why'd you wanna switch?
Neat.JS Lemming wrote:I'm begining to care less about what you think.Okay, there are the downs. But by all means, go right on ahead. When you don't complete your project or switch back to Blitz I'm not even going to say that I told you so. I know it'll happen like I know Michael Jackson will marry George W. Bush.
I took the liberty of bolding something for you. Did I say that game making was the only use for programming? Well, you want to get into programming as a career, then cool. Maybe you should go on to C++ (later). I don't even see how you get that I implied game making was the only use for programming. Whatever.JS Lemming wrote:Who said I didn't want a carrer that involved programming. Game making in't the only use for programming you know.I meant that by I don't think it'd be worth the effort for you, who has no intention of ever even getting into a carreer of programming or game development. I don't recommend C/C++ for anything graphical to anybody unless they want to do something with it for a carreer or something.
Is that what you think this is about? Me discouraging you? Why would I do that? You are the better game developer (and perhaps even programmer) anyday. Do you think that I'm too egotistical to say that? Or do you think this is because I make crap in C++ and I'm discouraging you so that I feel better about my programming inabilites compared to you? Nope. I don't care. I just think its pointless. No big deal. And please, by all means "Show my face up".JS Lemming wrote: Why would you discourage a fellow programmer?
Mainly pointers and special data structures.What kind of useful feature are you talking about that C++ has that blitz lacks?
Yeah I agree that language is a huge part of it, but I meant that I knew both so it wasn't like I had to learn a hole new language.Yes, you never do know how a project will go. But also, you're WRONG. Language has every affect. What isn't affected by language? How can you say that it has no affect? Yes, you know C++ very well too. You aren't an SDL guru though. You're forgetting that factor. Do you even have a book or resource that would allow you to learn it? C++ isn't the whole point. SDL is a huge part of it.
Yeah sorry about that, I misread (NOT SKIMMED) that sentence.I took the liberty of bolding something for you. Did I say that game making was the only use for programming?
My biggest question about this debate is Why later? I just don't see why you want me do program in C++ later.Well, you want to get into programming as a career, then cool. Maybe you should go on to C++ (later).
No way, your games are koo too.You are the better game developer (and perhaps even programmer) anyday.
Too lazy to look up egotistical, but what I learned from Latin is that it has something to do with "I".Do you think that I'm too egotistical to say that?
Of course not, that would be childish. It just seems like your so negative about me with C++.Or do you think this is because I make crap in C++ and I'm discouraging you so that I feel better about my programming inabilites compared to you?
No thanks.And please, by all means "Show my face up".
Oh JS Lemming, you're one of my best friends. Sorry to be such a prick. I think you're right now. You know what, if you got into C++, then like, we could be a team!JS Lemming wrote:Mainly pointers and special data structures.What kind of useful feature are you talking about that C++ has that blitz lacks?
Yeah I agree that language is a huge part of it, but I meant that I knew both so it wasn't like I had to learn a hole new language.Yes, you never do know how a project will go. But also, you're WRONG. Language has every affect. What isn't affected by language? How can you say that it has no affect? Yes, you know C++ very well too. You aren't an SDL guru though. You're forgetting that factor. Do you even have a book or resource that would allow you to learn it? C++ isn't the whole point. SDL is a huge part of it.
Yeah sorry about that, I misread (NOT SKIMMED) that sentence.I took the liberty of bolding something for you. Did I say that game making was the only use for programming?
My biggest question about this debate is Why later? I just don't see why you want me do program in C++ later.Well, you want to get into programming as a career, then cool. Maybe you should go on to C++ (later).
No way, your games are koo too.You are the better game developer (and perhaps even programmer) anyday.
Too lazy to look up egotistical, but what I learned from Latin is that it has something to do with "I".Do you think that I'm too egotistical to say that?
Of course not, that would be childish. It just seems like your so negative about me with C++.Or do you think this is because I make crap in C++ and I'm discouraging you so that I feel better about my programming inabilites compared to you?
No thanks.And please, by all means "Show my face up".
Nah, you weren't that big of a jerk, but thanks anyway.God, I'm such an asshole.
Thank you for openning my eyes and showing me what a prick I am.