Elysian Shadows

An interesting question.... What are your thoughts?

Why not?

well STL is in STD, and STD's are bad... I guess... no?

now really, I think sometimes you will just have to use at least a vector or a list somewhere along the way...

vectors are my bff

I use STL for just about everything. I find them extremely useful but I am no
expert so I am not sure if it is wise to use them all the time.

Bakkon wrote:vectors are my bff

vectors FTW!

I think its kinda lazy to use STL a lot. #include <algorithm> really? Thats just a slap in the face. Then again the whole C++ language is a bit...

are you talking about linking in general or the actual #include<algorithm>?
why is that bad? (it IS a time saver after all)

Absolutely, just about all my projects have need for STL (vectors baby!) and I don't think a single one of my projects is without it. It's just so damn useful for games

If you don't use STL, you'll have to make your own stuff, and that's not a bad thing.
It's just like eating Pancakes with shit; you can still eat it but it'll be really messy.

Netwatcher wrote: It's just like eating Pancakes with shit; you can still eat it but it's really messy.

Uh... what?

Joeyotrevor wrote:

Netwatcher wrote: It's just like eating Pancakes with shit; you can still eat it but it's really messy.

Uh... what?

I think Netwatcher just told everyone who writes their own containers to eat shit.

STL increases compilation times and executable size, but on PC, it doesn't really matter. Personally, I use STL all the time.

dandymcgee wrote:

Joeyotrevor wrote:

Netwatcher wrote: It's just like eating Pancakes with shit; you can still eat it but it's really messy.

Uh... what?

I think Netwatcher just told everyone who writes their own containers to eat shit.

you got it all wrong...
It's maybe not the best example

The only time that I would ever question the use of STL would be with console development because of what Marauder said:

MarauderIIC wrote:STL increases compilation times and executable size

That's very true. On Dreamcast, where you only have 16 megs of RAM, you are making your executable approximately a MEGABYTE larger just by linking to STL.

It's also pretty substantial on PSP.

While Elysian Shadows is using STL on both the PSP an DC builds currently, that will be one of the first things to go when we start running into bottlenecks.