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Way back in 1976 Bill Gates wrote a letter titled "An Open Letter to Hobbyists" that addressed the reproduction of Microsoft's software and how it was effecting him personally. While this may seem like it has nothing to do with software development at all it actually is still very relevant, especially to a community such as this one. With software piracy rampant today this issue may in fact change PC Gaming forever. Two letters in reply to Bill Gate's original talk about things that are comparable to today's open source, freeware, and shareware development, and another letter by Bill Gate's furthers the discussion.

I believe that these letters are as relevant today as they were over 30 years ago, and are therefore a very interesting read. I'm sure that after reading them you will understand exactly what I am talking about, so, here they are.

By the way, there is a fair amount of actual reading involved here (over 2400 words), so if you're not in the mood for all of that, I at least recommend that you read the original letter.
Bill Gates – February 1976

An Open Letter to Hobbyists

To me, the most critical thing in the hobby market right now is the lack of good software courses, books and software itself. Without good software and an owner who understands programming, a hobby computer is wasted. Will quality software be written for the hobby market?

Almost a year ago, Paul Allen and myself, expecting the hobby market to expand, hired Monte Davidoff and developed Altair BASIC. Though the initial work took only two months, the three of us have spent most of the last year documenting, improving and adding features to BASIC. Now we have 4K, 8K, EXTENDED, ROM and DISK BASIC. The value of the computer time we have used exceeds $40,000.

The feedback we have gotten from the hundreds of people who say they are using BASIC has all been positive. Two surprising things are apparent, however. 1) Most of these “users” never bought BASIC (less than 10% of all Altair owners have bought BASIC), and 2) The amount of royalties we have received from sales to hobbyists makes the time spent of Altair BASIC worth less than $2 an hour.

Why is this? As the majority of hobbyists must be aware, most of you steal your software. Hardware must be paid for, but software is something to share. Who cares if the people who worked on it get paid?

Is this fair? One thing you don’t do by stealing software is get back at MITS for some problem you may have had. MITS doesn’t make money selling software. The royalty paid to us, the manual, the tape and the overhead make it a break-even operation. One thing you do is prevent good software from being written. Who can afford to do professional work for nothing? What hobbyist can put 3-man years into programming, finding all bugs, documenting his product and distribute for free? The fact is, no one besides us has invested a lot of money in hobby software. We have written 6800 BASIC, and are writing 8080 APL and 6800 APL, but there is very little incentive to make this software available to hobbyists. Most directly, the thing you do is theft.

What about the guys who re-sell Altair BASIC, aren’t they making money on hobby software? Yes, but those who have been reported to us may lose in the end. They are the ones who give hobbyists a bad name, and should be kicked out of any club meeting they show up at.

I would appreciate letters from anyone who wants to pay up, or has a suggestion or comment. Just write me at 1180 Alvarado SE, #114, Albuquerque, New Mexico, 87108. Nothing would please me more than being able to hire ten programmers and deluge the hobby market with good software.
Mike Hayes – February 1976

Regarding Your Letter of February 3

Dear Mr. Gates:

Your software has helped many hobbyists, and you are to be thanked for it! However, you should not blame the hobbyists for your own inadequate marketing of it. You gave it away; none stole it from you. Now you’re asking for software welfare so you can give more away. If $2/hr is all you got for your efforts, then $2/hr is what they’re worth on the free market. You should either change your product or change your way of selling it, if you feel it’ll bring more money. I’m sure that if I were MITS, I’d be chuckling all the way to the bank over the deal I got from you. After all, your marvelous software has allowed them to sell a computer which, without it, none would have touched, except as a frustrating novelty item.

I congratulate you and MITS upon being major influences in the founding of the computer hobby market. It’s too bad you didn’t get the profit from your efforts that they did from theirs, but that’s your fault, not theirs or the hobbyists. You underpriced your product.

If you want monetary reward for your software creations, you had better stop writing code for a minute and think a little harder about your market and how you are going to sell it. And, by the way, calling of your potential future customers thieves is perhaps “uncool” marketing strategy!
Jim Warren – July 1976

Correspondence

Greetings,

There is a viable alternative to the problems raised by Bill Gates in his irate letter to computer hobbyists concerning “ripping off” software. When software is free, or so inexpensive that it’s easier to pay for it than to duplicate it, then it won’t be “stolen.”

Example: There are at least five versions of Tiny BASIC up and running on at least three processors. A cassette containing Tiny BASIC for the Intel 8080 is available for five bucks. A version for the Motorola and AMI 6800 also costs $5, including complete user documentation. If the price is still too high, complete user documentation and implementation details for one of the 8080 versions has already been published. This includes complete annotated source code. Anyone is welcome to retype it and reassemble it. No one will yell, “thief.” All details of a second version will be published before the end of April. Several more versions will be published shortly thereafter, including a cross-assembled version created using the macro facilities of the IBM 360 Assembler. Versions are expected shortly thereafter for MOS Technology 6502, and Signetics 2650. Note: Tiny BASIC is, essentially, BASIC sans array and floating-point operations, although one of the versions has array operations, and another uses a calculator chip to obtain floating-point capabilities. It is explicitly designed for minimal memory micros.

Example: Gary Kildall, who built the PL/M compiler for Intel and the PLuS compiler for the Signetics 2650, is making an entire floppy-disc operating system available. He plans to sell a disc and complete documentation for not much more than what it would cost to duplicate them.

Example: A complete alpha-numeric music system, including amplitude control, has been designed and made available. The documentation costs only $2, including complete schematics for the minimal hardware that must be added.

Information on all of these system-and much more-is being published in a new, reference journal for home computer users (and anyone else interested in micros), Dr. Dobb’s Journal of Computer Calisthenics & Orthodontia. The Journal is publishing all available details. For instance, the first is contained: complete design details for Tiny BASIC, complete use documentation for the first 8080 version, complete details for using a calculator chip to obtain mathematic and floating-point functions, and a 16-bit, binary-to-decimal conversion routine.

The second issue included: complete implementation details and annotated source code for the first version of Tiny BASIC, complete documentation and source code for a simple music program for Altair 880s, design notes on a forthcoming high-level language for 8008/8080s, two articles on a $1k phoneme generator kit for micros that allows unlimited English speech synthesis, and a quick note on the 6800 version of Tiny BASIC.

The third issue will include complete details and code for the second 8080 Tiny BASIC which includes 1-D arrays, a simple debugger for the 6502, a keyboard loader for octal code, details of a contest to generate public-domain graphics software for CroMemCo’s TV Dazzler, and much more. The Journal is also reprinting carefully selected, good stuff from the growing multitude of computer club newsletters. Additionally, it is publishing complete indices to all major computer hobbyist publications and selected articles for other publications, lists of hobbyists and their equipment, used equipment sources, clubs and organizations, computer stores and distributors, etc. Finally, it is actively pursuing a consumer advocacy role relative to the home computer user.

The point is that all of this information-systems software, design notes, schematics, etc-is being made available for little more than the cost of reproduction. The Journal came into being, explicitly to aid creation and distribution of that information. In some ways, it creates a sort of manufacturer-independent user’s group.

It is reasonable to expect that free and inexpensive software will become increasingly available to and through the hobbyists’ community. This is true, in spite of failure of such SHAREing in the business and industrial communities.

1. Hobbyists are developing home-grown hardware and software, just for the fun of it. Since it’s “fun” rather than “work,” they have shown a great willingness to share and distribute what they develop. This is not an unknown phenomenon. It is the usual practice in most other hobby environments, and is certainly true in the academic environment.

2. As with the industrial mini and micro markets, hobbyists have learned to be wary of purchasing hardware from manufacturers who provide no software support. Through common sense, and by observing Mr. Gates’ experience, those who wish to sell software for significant sums of money must realize that there is only one group that can practically be expected to pay for it: the hardware manufacturers. They need it to enhance their products in a highly competitive marketplace.

3. Concerning quality: A significant minority of computer hobbyists are also experience computer professionals. It’s their (our) play as well as work. The competency level is more than sufficient for the design and implementation of excellent systems software.

4. Finally, the approach used in producing the Tiny BASICs will be continued and expanded, a sort of modified Chief Programmer Teach approach: An experience pro does the overall design and outlines the implementation strategy (via the Journal and other hobbyist publications). Following those directions, the more experienced amateurs do the necessary hack-work (exciting to them, but drudgery for the “old pro”). Since it is a symbiotic effort, the implementers are almost certain to share their work with the designers, and hence, with the larger community of home computer users.

It is amazing how much “good stuff” becomes available when the producers think of their labor as “play” instead of “Work.” All who wish to do so are invited to join with the publishers of Dr. Dobb’s Journal in the pursuit of realizable fantasies.
Bill Gates – April 1976

A Second and Final Letter

Since sending out my “OPEN LETTER TO HOBBYISTS” of February 3rd I have had innumerable replies and an opportunity to speak directly with hobbyists, editors and MITS employees at MITS’s World Altair Computer Convention, March 26-28. I was surprised at the wide coverage given the letter, and I hope it means that serious consideration is being given to the issue of the future of software development and distribution for the hobbyist. In my remarks at the WACC I spent a great deal of time explaining why I think software makes the difference between a computer being a fascinating educational tool for years and being an exciting enigma for a few months and then gathering dust in a closet.

Unfortunately, some of the controversy raised by my letter focused upon me personally and even more inappropriately upon MITS. I am not a MITS employee and perhaps no one at MITS agrees with me absolutely, but I believe all were glad to see the issued I raised discussed. The three negative letters I received objected to the fact that I stated that a large percentage of computer hobbyists have stolen software in their possession. My intent was to indicate that a significant number of the copies of BASIC currently in use were not obtained legitimately and not to issue a blanket indictment of computer hobbyists. On the contrary, I find that the majority are intelligent and honest individuals who share my concern for the future of software development. I also received letters from hobbyists who saw the stealing going on and were unhappy about it, and from small companies that are reluctant to provide software because they don’t think enough people will buy the software to justify its development. Perhaps the present dilemma has resulted from a failure by many to realize that neither Micro-Soft nor anyone else can develop extensive software without a reasonable return on the huge investment in time that is necessary.

The reasons for writing my first letter were to open the issue for discussion, let people know that someone was upset about the stealing that was going on, and to express concern about the effect such activities will have on future software development. Some letters suggested that software should be sold for a flat fee to hardware companies who would add the cost of the software to the price of their computer. Whether this is legal or not, the marketability of software to hardware companies is questionable when software is so freely shared among hobbyists. Providing software in ROM may help, but committing a complex software package to ROM before it has been field tested means that users will have to accept the bugs that inevitably turn up. Having a select trustworthy group do field testing for six months would mean that most of the bugs could be eliminated, but delaying the introduction of a product this long isn’t feasible or desirable. In any event, software on ROM can be copied.

In discussing software, I don’t want to leave out the most important aspect, vis., the exchange of those programs less complex than interpreters or compilers that can be written by hobbyists and shared at little or no cost. I think in the foreseeable future, literally thousands of such programs will be available through user libraries. The availability of standardized compilers and interpreters will have a major impact on how quickly these libraries develop and how useful they are.

Two factors that will encourage people to develop software are that the hobbyist market is expanding rapidly and that many commercial applications of microcomputers require the same software that hobbyists need. Unfortunately, some of the companies I have talked to about microcomputer software are reluctant to have it distributed to the hobbyist, some of whom will steal it, when the company is being asked to pay a huge sum to finance the software development.

To avoid an endless dialogue, and to keep the current controversy centered on the primary issue, this is the last open letter I will write on this subject. I thank those who responded in writing to my first letter.

APL is well under way and should be completed by the middle of the summer, when it will be made available to hobbyists. Micro-Soft also has a high-level language compiler in the design stage and is trying to work out a way to publish the source of one of its interpreters in a fairly inexpensive book form along with about one hundred pages of explanatory text.
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They said something about the original letter in Maximum PC... I think it was only a portion though... But I'm glad you posted this :mrgreen:
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Definitely an interesting read. ;)

This pretty well sums up why Microsoft's products are so ridiculously difficult to activate and authenticate these days.
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dandymcgee wrote:Definitely an interesting read. ;)

This pretty well sums up why Microsoft's products are so ridiculously difficult to activate and authenticate these days.
That's true, haha. But I like to think about it in the way it was then. Bill Gates was a struggling developer. Sure, he was making his impact, but he definitely wasn't the richest man alive. Think of the struggling independent developers today trying to release their software into the market. If they have anything good enough to be noticed, chances are they don't have the resources for an advanced security system and you'll quickly find it on The Pirate Bay.
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Kcirtap1990 wrote: That's true, haha. But I like to think about it in the way it was then. Bill Gates was a struggling developer. Sure, he was making his impact, but he definitely wasn't the richest man alive. Think of the struggling independent developers today trying to release their software into the market. If they have anything good enough to be noticed, chances are they don't have the resources for an advanced security system and you'll quickly find it on The Pirate Bay.
I also liked the point he made about how most people wouldn't even consider stealing a piece of hardware, but they'll steal software without thinking twice. The way computers work makes it very difficult to efficiently monitor and limit the use of software.
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dandymcgee wrote:
Kcirtap1990 wrote: That's true, haha. But I like to think about it in the way it was then. Bill Gates was a struggling developer. Sure, he was making his impact, but he definitely wasn't the richest man alive. Think of the struggling independent developers today trying to release their software into the market. If they have anything good enough to be noticed, chances are they don't have the resources for an advanced security system and you'll quickly find it on The Pirate Bay.
I also liked the point he made about how most people wouldn't even consider stealing a piece of hardware, but they'll steal software without thinking twice. The way computers work makes it very difficult to efficiently monitor and limit the use of software.
I think it's wrong comparing software and hardware (in this case) like that, software can be duplicated unlimited times without taking up physical resources (I'm not thinking about diskspace since that's not my point) while hardware is limited to resources and takes up time for the making of every "copy". Once a piece of software is created there is no further effort in duplicating it, so it's not like the programmer is enslaved in coding another copy when one is stolen.
Although, I see the problem with pirating since I'm aiming for a programming job in the future, ultimately we need a change in attitude not another copy protection.
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Scoody wrote: I think it's wrong comparing software and hardware (in this case) like that, software can be duplicated unlimited times without taking up physical resources (I'm not thinking about diskspace since that's not my point) while hardware is limited to resources and takes up time for the making of every "copy". Once a piece of software is created there is no further effort in duplicating it, so it's not like the programmer is enslaved in coding another copy when one is stolen.
Although, I see the problem with pirating since I'm aiming for a programming job in the future, ultimately we need a change in attitude not another copy protection.
Now that you've put it like that it sort of makes me think twice about my opinion. You're 100% right, hardware requires just as much effort to create a copy as it did to create the original (ignoring design and implementation efforts). For the purposes of this comparison, it could be said that creating a copy of a piece of software is free and instantaneous, and requires absolutely no effort on the programmer's part. Therefore it would make sense logically for the programmer to get paid only for the first copy of his/her software, unless there was hardware involved (selling CD's for the price of a CD similar to linux distros). The only time they have a right to get paid for the same product again is when they create an update of some sort.

I would say the exception is very complex software (ie. Windows) where they put loads of time and effort into it, then sell it at an affordable price and make the profit back in numbers. Imagine if Microsoft only sold the very first copy of Windows Vista for $15,000,000 and said everyone else after that could just copy it and have it for free, haha.
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Scoody wrote:
dandymcgee wrote:
Kcirtap1990 wrote: That's true, haha. But I like to think about it in the way it was then. Bill Gates was a struggling developer. Sure, he was making his impact, but he definitely wasn't the richest man alive. Think of the struggling independent developers today trying to release their software into the market. If they have anything good enough to be noticed, chances are they don't have the resources for an advanced security system and you'll quickly find it on The Pirate Bay.
I also liked the point he made about how most people wouldn't even consider stealing a piece of hardware, but they'll steal software without thinking twice. The way computers work makes it very difficult to efficiently monitor and limit the use of software.
I think it's wrong comparing software and hardware (in this case) like that, software can be duplicated unlimited times without taking up physical resources (I'm not thinking about diskspace since that's not my point) while hardware is limited to resources and takes up time for the making of every "copy". Once a piece of software is created there is no further effort in duplicating it, so it's not like the programmer is enslaved in coding another copy when one is stolen.
Although, I see the problem with pirating since I'm aiming for a programming job in the future, ultimately we need a change in attitude not another copy protection.
People burn CDs so you can say that people ARE stealing hardware,however, they don't actually steal, they replicate!
If i replicated your graphics card, it won't be stealing, you still have it!
However, software isn't what we call "Real", we can't touch it, it's an idea that feeds on hardware to be interact-able.
and that's what people are replicating, or so called "stealing"... ideas, I don't see anything wrong with that.
Plus I don't think people will start stealing hardware, that's silly :shock: .
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Netwatcher wrote: People burn CDs so you can say that people ARE stealing hardware,however, they don't actually steal, they replicate!
If i replicated your graphics card, it won't be stealing, you still have it!
However, software isn't what we call "Real", we can't touch it, it's an idea that feeds on hardware to be interact-able.
and that's what people are replicating, or so called "stealing"... ideas, I don't see anything wrong with that.
Plus I don't think people will start stealing hardware, that's silly :shock: .
Burning a CD isn't stealing.. You can burn linux distros all day long and nobody will tell you it's wrong. My point is they're only getting paid for the cost of the CD & shipping, not the software (in most cases). If you burn a copy the CD, they don't get paid because they didn't do any work so there's nothing wrong with that.

Again the exception is much larger companies (such as Microsoft) who put millions of dollars into creating software, and expect to make a profit by MANY people buying it at a reasonable price. If you burn the CD they ARE in fact losing money indirectly because you no longer have to go buy their product from the store.
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dandymcgee wrote:
Netwatcher wrote: People burn CDs so you can say that people ARE stealing hardware,however, they don't actually steal, they replicate!
If i replicated your graphics card, it won't be stealing, you still have it!
However, software isn't what we call "Real", we can't touch it, it's an idea that feeds on hardware to be interact-able.
and that's what people are replicating, or so called "stealing"... ideas, I don't see anything wrong with that.
Plus I don't think people will start stealing hardware, that's silly :shock: .
Burning a CD isn't stealing.. You can burn linux distros all day long and nobody will tell you it's wrong. My point is they're only getting paid for the cost of the CD & shipping, not the software (in most cases). If you burn a copy the CD, they don't get paid because they didn't do any work so there's nothing wrong with that.

Again the exception is much larger companies (such as Microsoft) who put millions of dollars into creating software, and expect to make a profit by MANY people buying it at a reasonable price. If you burn the CD they ARE in fact losing money indirectly because you no longer have to go buy their product from the store.

Think of the music industry, Music CDs cost X amount of money, not all people have the money to buy every CD they want.
Piracy exposes people without that amount of money to certain bands, these bands get a bigger fan-base, these fans come to their concerts, and even buy their CDs.

The same with software, most hacked software is full of bugs, and even when it's not, people who appreciate the creators buy the original one.
Out of respect, like some-sort of shareware ;)

In my country, there is no rule against piracy, and I must say, even-though everyone I know downloads software from the internet, We own a nice amount of CDs and fully legal content we bought out of appreciation that we also have downloaded.
If i don't have money for something... let's say... every game that comes out... I wouldn't have bought the game anyway! so the company isn't actually losing money... When I do buy the game out of appreciation (or sometimes because the online-mode doesn't work :lol: ) the company gets it's well-earned money ;)

Before Vista, Windows XP cost 200-250$ here(way overpriced)
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Netwatcher wrote: Before Vista, Windows XP cost 200-250$ here(way overpriced)
:shock: Holy crap. I paid $80 for my copy. But I know what you mean, I've bought plenty of software I could've just as easily copied from someone else. Sometimes it's out of appreciation for the company and it's developers, other times it's because I like owning the box and manual. :)
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Bill Gates wrote:We have written 6800 BASIC, and are writing 8080 APL and 6800 APL
Are these microprocessor architectures? or just numbers that mean something else?
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Netwatcher wrote:
Bill Gates wrote:We have written 6800 BASIC, and are writing 8080 APL and 6800 APL
Are these microprocessor architectures? or just numbers that mean something else?
I believe they are microprocessors. 6800 BASIC was the Altair BASIC that ran on the Motorola 6800, while the 8080 ran on the Altair 8080.
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